You are so right about how sharing our experiences helps getting things in pespective and the relief it brings to our lives.
I've been reading your messages voraciously and the intensity of your
experiences has given me a different perspective and made me
humble and thankful because I have never had to see/feel/fight evil
a such a close range. You're a warrior and my heart and prayers
are with you.
Thank you for the positive initiative you've taken and for keeping our energy focused and our paths clear.
Newh
Posted as a reply to: Msg 133 by B_eamer
I used to hope that
by: marietta_x (28/F)
01/12/00 09:01 pm
Msg: 135 of 1075
my experiences would fade with time. My father who experienced many
similar things in his youth assured me I would 'grow out of it'
as I reached adulthood. Well, here I am at 28, and the experiences
have only intensified. I stopped being nervous of them a long time
ago, and in fact have come to enjoy them, and welcome them. I've never
documented or set about informing myself to thier nature
either. What I have learned, and read by pure coincidence validated
much of what I already felt I Knew.
I'm familiar with all that you mentioned, but would like to hear more
about your OBE experiences and that of astral projection, if you
care to share. If not, believe me I understand but as Beamer mentioned
these waters appear to be shark free.
So far so good anyway!
Peace
Marietta
Posted as a reply to: Msg 132 by newhboy
These waters ...
by: B_eamer (5/M/Calif.)
01/13/00 04:53 am
Msg: 136 of 1075
have such tremendous positive energy feeding them, that negative energy probably dosen't stand a chance.
Wouldn't it be nice if this board entertained much more than Human entities?
That spirits are watching and guiding us towards a
harmonius exchange of thoughts and ideas would be a wonderful idea,
don't you think?
Posted as a reply to: Msg 135 by marietta_x
Newhboy ...
by: B_eamer (5/M/Calif.)
01/13/00 05:19 am
Msg: 137 of 1075
thank you. Honest to God, you have only seen the tip of the iceburg.
My journey has been a very fruitful and exciting one, which up
till lately was hoping that many others lived to the same degree. I
am positive that many others could put my experiences up to theirs
and amaze, enlighten, and educate as well. Time will slowly dissolve
the distance between the knowing and the posting.
I have stated before, that those that know don't say, those that ask
don't know. Many individuals that I have come across in my "real"
world have had this opinon. I think to be just that. An opinon. Nothing
more. I haven't lost my dog or my tounge or my right arm for
telling. What I have done is brought enlightenment. Granted, for those
reading my postings, those are some huge horse pills to have to
swallow. I would apoligize for that if I could, but can't.
For those that come to my postings and can't comprehend the very nature
of them, or of any of the other postings put forth here on
this board, it just is not time for you yet. Many Ideas put forth here
are well advanced in a spiritual nature, some extremely heady stuff
indeed. I have put forth a topic for asking questions. Ask. If you
don't know what to ask, ask any way. That will be the only way you
will advance. Reading these postings and not understanding and trying
to move on will not work.
Each journey is built on a series of steps, or as some have put it,
going through a series of doors. These postings are steps and
doorways that have been opened for those that need them opened. If
you are not ready for that door to be opened or that step to be
climbed, going forth from that point on will only lead to misunderstanding
later and disharmony. We are here to learn, to be
enlightened, and for many of us, to teach.
Newhboy, this posting isn't directed at you. It just seemed an appropriate
time to state these facts.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 134 by newhboy
OBE experiences
by: newhboy
01/13/00 02:17 pm
Msg: 138 of 1075
In my case, my OBE experiences DID fade away. It was probably me who
block them out because I wasn't ready or didn't know
how to deal with them.
Most of those experiences where travelling to the future. During my
meditations, I would suddenly be in the middle of a situation or
event that would actually happen 2 or 3 days later. They were always
related to me and mostly pleasant events. Some of the ones I
remember are: The unexpected visit of a cousin, the unexpected arrival
of a long lost friend (who used to be my nanny) and that sort
of things.
Astral projection... That's always been something different... I could
see myself rising from my body, but I wouldn't see my actual
body. I always "gravitated" to a friend's place or wandered around
the city -this I can still do without major fuzz. I usually considered
these "dreams" since they would happen spontaneusly during my sleep
and I probably never would acknowledge them 'til one of my
cousins who was spending summer vacations with us told my mom: "auntie,
cousin NEWH is going out at night when everybody is
sleeping." It blew me away and asked him what he saw. He said "is funny,
I can see you walking out, but you're still there."
Nowadays, those "dreams" persist. There are some recurrent ones where
I've been to a far away place where a foreign language is
spoken, but I can understand it. It always seems to be somewhere around
Eastern-Central Europe -Bulgary or Yugoslav- which is
rather odd. It is not of a premonitory nature, is mostly contemplative,
almost like if I were a tourist walking along the street. They're
so vivid that I can give you detailed description of buildings, people,
places. I don't know if these "dreams" are in the future or the
past, but I know they're not near the current time.
In the last 4 or 5 years I've been meditating for stress management
purposes, but nothing further than that. Right now my intuition is so
sharp that I can "feel" events that affect people closely related to
me. Usually pleasant events, but sometimes, those that mean a threat
to them as well. That intuition is my "radar" and has been guiding
me for a while.
For the longest time I've been avoiding meditating to the point where
these events become spontaneous, but I know I'll have to!! that
way I'll be able to re-connect them and make sense out of them. I get
the "feeling" that they contain a message or represent "my
mission." Probably because in the last couple of years, it has "rooted"
deep inside me the strong desire for universal peace. There is a
thought that keeps "popping-up" during my meditations... "this millenium,
no-one should go hungry, no-one should be cold, no-one
should live in ignorance. Heal the world!!"
I have no idea were or who it comes from or how we'll achieve it, but
there's gotta' be a way. If I ever find it, I'll let you know -just
kidding!!
Anyway, this is what's gone on and on with me for many years.... What about you??
In Peace
In Light
In Love
Newh
Posted as a reply to: Msg 135 by marietta_x
Sounds amazing ...
by: marietta_x (28/F)
01/13/00 03:30 pm
Msg: 139 of 1075
I haven't had such wonderful experiences. I think my 'gift' is more
of an intuitive one. I have had many moments of premonition that
sound more like your OBE's when traveling to the future. The future
I experience is immediate, within minutes or hours. The
frustrating part is that I am not in control, even though it's my future
I see, experience. I have tried so many times to alter it, somehow
in the smallest way gain control, but I guess that it's not mine to
have.
Something like a deja vu happens to me, and until recently I thought
it was the same for everyone. It's hard to explain exactly how it
happens.
I must admit I know very little about astral projection, which is why
I'm so interested in learning more about your experience with it.
From what you wrote I see such a strong connection to OBE, I'd love
to hear more. I have read, and know those who achieve OBE
on demand who's experiences are exactly as you wrote about astral projection.
It is widely beleived as well that many 'dreams' are
actualy OBE's. While lucid dreaming, using a focused command one is
supposed to be able to achieve it. I think it will take a lot of
focus, and experimenting, but I am currently working towards that goal.
How fantastic that your cousin was able to see both your
physical self, and the essense of you, it makes me smile..
I'm told that I am one who is 'naturaly awake' spiritualy. It's only
been in the past five or six years that I have taken the time to focus
on my path. Since then I have had several wonderful experiences, two
are mentioned earlier in this thread. Like you, I *feel* there is
a message connecting those and other moments together, the good and
the bad.
Universal peace, sounds like a dream doesn't it? I feel that we will
find it one day, although I don't feel it will be in my lifetime.
Possibly the next.. I strongly believe that humanity is awakening to
it's potential for peace, but it will take time to find it, and God
knows how long to repair the damage done in it's name.
To a brighter future..
Marietta
Posted as a reply to: Msg 138 by newhboy
Amaizing??
by: newhboy
01/14/00 02:05 pm
Msg: 140 of 1075
It is FANTASTIC!! and quite scary if you're not ready to live these
experiences. I said that it is fantastic because sometimes it is hard
to believe that these type of things happen because they don't happen
to everybody.
One thing though... Why would you like to control your gift?? If you
ever get to do that, you'd probably turn into one more "Psychic"
or roadshow subject. I don't know, but I think that you just should
let it be. Yes, trying to control it will give you nothing but that...
frustration, anger, and probably greed. Experimenting through trial
and error is something that could put you at great risk. I don't
know... It is only my opinion and it is easy for me to say it because
my "gifts" have been spontaneous. I might've repressed them for a
while, but now that I have accepted them and embraced them they're
returning, but I'm trying to advance as I feel that I'm ready and I
never try to force anything and never ask for anything that doesn't
want to present "itself." I think that whoever wrote on another
thread "be careful what you wish -or meditate, I might add- for because
you just might get it."
Keep meditating, and I'm sure that "things" will come to you when you're ready and when you know what to do with "them."
As I said, it is only my opinion, but you might like to consider....
In Peace
In Light
In Love
Newh.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 139 by marietta_x
I think
by: marietta_x (28/F)
01/14/00 10:24 pm
Msg: 141 of 1075
you have misunderstood me. I have no intentions of using any gift I
may or may not have in such a way as a roadshow, or benefit
from it in such a way that it turns into greed. I also don't think
that you know me well enough to state what I'd 'probably' do with my
gift. Not everyone is this world is out for themselves, or out for
a buck. I'm not sure how I left you with that impression, it was surely
not my intention.
Have you ever lived the same moment over again so many times, but all
in one - and each time you learn a little more and yet still
have no control? To have your mind racing, Knowing you have done this,
Knowing what is about to happen and feel like a puppet on
a string because you can't control your own body's actions? It's terrible.
I don't always fight for control, in fact usualy I just let it
happen. Sometimes it's incredible, and other times it's not.
The experiements with OBE is separate from the premonitions, and the
deja vu's. It is a matter of interest only. I believe it was
Beamer who wrote 'be careful what you wish for..' and I agree whole
heartedly with him, and you, on that point and thank you for
your well recieved advice.
In Peace..
Marietta
Posted as a reply to: Msg 140 by newhboy
marietta ...
by: B_eamer (5/M/Calif.)
01/15/00 08:00 am
Msg: 142 of 1075
I have had moments of deja vue, but nothing like what you are talking
about. I'm needing to wake up some before answering much
further, but I can't really imagine how frustrating it is to be reliving
those moments must be. It is so weird that you wouldn't be able to
even change a little what is going to happen ...time is such a trip.
Both you and Newhboy have gifts which I can only imagine. Have either
of you ever heard of Art Bell? His web site is at
http://www.artbell.com. His subject range is immense, but he may have
guests on from time to time that cover some of what you both
have discussed, at least the OBE's.
Thank you both for sharing.
I have long passed along the message of being careful of what you ask
for, because you just may receive it. I discovered this rather
early in my journey.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 141 by marietta_x
Marietta
by: newhboy
01/17/00 12:41 pm
Msg: 143 of 1075
Hi,
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to judge or especulate about what you
might or might not do with your gifts and you're right, I
misundestood your message. However, I'd like you to know that my words
were out of concern for your well being, but it seems like
they came out wrong and I apologize for that.
What I was concerned about is that, sometimes, experimenting with OBE
can be risky from the perspective that makes you
vulnerable to dark forces. Evil is out there and is looking for every
chance it can get to you -just ask B_eamer. I've seen people
whom have lost themselves in the struggle for power or control of these
gifts and it is unbelievable the damage done not only to their
bodies, but also to their spirits.
It is true that some people is able to "do" OBE on demand. I've seen
some of them and it is not exactly the type of "spirituality" I'd
like to practice. I understand it is terrible experiencing all these
gifts without knowing where or whom they come from -I've gone
throught that myself- I don't know you, but in my case, looking for
control, explanations or causes only made them more evasive.
From my personal experience I'd like to share this with you: Trust God
-whatever your concept about Him is- and trust yourself.
Embrace your gifts for what they are and try to meditate regularly.
Probably, you will never find a logical explanation of what is
happening to you, but once you accept and embrace your gifts, they
will come to you when you're ready for them. In my case, I've
found-out that wanting, wishing, or hoping has only brought me hurt,
anger, frustrations and confusion. I insist... Trust the Lord, He IS
in control. How you've got is only a glimpse of what is possible to
"do."
I know there are books, and tapes, and videos and -lately- websites
about "how to" achieve "control" or further develop these gifts.
Some of them are step-by-step guides and so on. I'm sorry I can't be
specific, but since I haven't tried that myself, I couldn't give you
names or dates. Probably you'd like to look that way and I'm sure you'll
find someone that can give you more information.
Please believe me, there is no judgment or especulation in my words.
I'm a person that has long let go of those feelings of control and
the joy, peace and love that has brought into my life makes me wish
that EVERYBODY could experience these feelings.
God bless you and may light come into your path.
In Peace
In Light
In Love
Newh
Posted as a reply to: Msg 141 by marietta_x