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Topic- A Place for the Healing

I'm increasingly convinced that the voice of God has infinite ways and measures of enlightenment. I would like to encourage all,who will to participate-in an experiential discussion. That this may become a place,where healing begins. Again my thanks for the suggestion, in this wise Suchara.

Hey, everyone....welcome Safford...he is a special guy.

Peace and Love to all, Sucarha 
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Wel...
by: doc_kramer (48/F/St. Louis, MO)
11/21/99 5:44 pm
Msg: 3 of 627
come Safford! Happy Turykey Day! 
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Doc Kramer...
by: safford13
11/21/99 5:50 pm
Msg: 4 of 627
Let the feast begin. Shalom,S-13
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hi safford
by: daisyforaday (43/F/ME)
11/21/99 6:38 pm
Msg: 5 of 627
Jump onin!

Or should I say, we'll jump into this new board of yours!
later
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uhmm...Safford...
by: B_eamer (5/M/Calif.)
11/21/99 7:30 pm
Msg: 6 of 627
Couldn't find a definition of Experiential. Was wondering if you could elaborate?
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Experiential
by: mentalite (32/FL)
11/21/99 7:58 pm
Msg: 7 of 627
Hello Beamer... I think it's something like (in Websterspeak): of, or pertaining to, experience.

It's not in my Webster's either. I think this is what Safford had in mind, though.

Love. Mentalite.
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hello Safford
by: Borealis_Blizzard (901/F/Outerlimits)
11/21/99 8:05 pm
Msg: 8 of 627
*shy smile* if it's ok, I'd like to 'sit' in and 'see' how this board develops
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A great healing ceremony...
by: zenlightened_one (30/M/Vancouver, Canada)
11/21/99 8:42 pm
Msg: 9 of 628
...that I have had the honour of attending, was a traditional Cree sweatlodge ceremony. There were 16 of us involved (including the healer, who had organized it), I would highly recommend it for those who have suffered, in their lives, and are searching for healing.

I was invited, by a friend who was in a 'Religious Studies' course, in university.Though I did not require any healing, per say, I was truly amazed at the effectiveness of its healing power. Some members were women who had suffered beatings by their spouses, and it was incredible to be a part of their healing process.

Sweatlodge ceremonies can be difficult to locate (I've tried, since, to find another, but without success), however, if people want to, they can check with the counsellors of any women's shelter, and I'm certain they could find out what they need to know. If not, search the web, for any ceremonies that may be going on, in your area. I THINK they are only held quarterly, every year, following in the tradition of the four sacred parts of the Medicine Wheel.

Hopefully, this info. will help at least one person, out there. If so, it's more than 'worth it'.

Peace, out there, to you all.

You will undoubtedly be healed, in some form or another.
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Hi Safford!
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI)
11/21/99 10:50 pm
Msg: 10 of 628
We are gathered here to heal and be healed. We join our hearts, our minds as one, for the healing of our brothers and sisters. We are One, we are the children of the Great-One-Above-All. Peace and Love is our destiny, and our gift. Give as God gives, give only as God gives. To all who enter, Peace...Love...Light.

Be well my friend
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Yes, thank you, Safford...
by: zenlightened_one (30/M/Vancouver, Canada)
11/21/99 11:55 pm
Msg: 11 of 628
...for the wonderful board. It was/is a great idea for a topic board- and one that has ALREADY generated a good response. May it live on for a long, long 'thread'! Oh, and good to see you, avatar! :)
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Hello Safford
by: starentity (30/F)
11/22/99 12:20 am
Msg: 12 of 628
I am new here too. The healing has begun :)
Thank you...
Peace and Light
*Star*
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To heal and be healed...
by: sucarha (56/F/Sarasota,FL)
11/22/99 10:04 am
Msg: 13 of 628
We all agree, I am sure, that finding God in the Spiritual sense begins with finding self and listening to the voice within..for me, next was understanding that we are all temporarily individual parts of the whole. The One. The all. To extend to another is extending to God.

However, the intention here is to heal and be healed so honesty and trust are imperative.

Some of you know that I have recently endured a huge personal loss in the physical sense with the passing of my husband of 35 years. My mind and heart are in the right place, but I am struggling with the human emotions. I feel very hypocitical at times, sharing spiritual enlightenments with all of you wonderful people, then in private, wollowing in self-pity at my loss.

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Peace and love, Sucarha
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A prayer/poem, Sucarha...
by: zenlightened_one (30/M/Vancouver, Canada)
11/22/99 10:43 am
Msg: 14 of 628
...in your time of grieving. I recited this at my grandfather's funeral, this last March, I hope it gives you a similar comfort that my family felt, from this. :

Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there. I do not sleep.

I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glint on snow.

I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.

When you wake in the morning hush,
I am the swift, uplifting rush
of quiet birds circling in flight.
I am the soft starlight at night.

Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there.
I do not sleep.
- Anonymous

You are not alone, Sucarha. :)
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The death of a loved one...
by: sassafraswilds (50/F/Arkansas)
11/22/99 10:48 am
Msg: 15 of 629
..effects us physically, emotionally, intellecutally, and spiritually in so many different ways. And we, being in part the products of this present civilization, suffer many agonies from the separation. But, in our quest to experience the loving wholeness of Creation, we must ask ourselves, ''Is this the way God wants me to feel about such things?'' Or even more simply, ''Is it good for me to feel this way about this thing?'' And, when the answer that comes to our own heart/mind is ''no,'' then we must (as you are) gather our senses, gird-up our strength, and discover another way to feel.

This is a great challenge in our modern world because at every turn we are to some degree encouraged to ''wallow.'' Yet to recognize that we are wallowing and seek a ''higher'' state of being is the way we attain our rightful freedom and peace.

Know that where you are and what you are doing is ''okay.'' Permit yourself to feel the void of your dear one's absence. Bless yourself for having the depth of love that causes you to experience such profound emotion. As odd as it may seem, and as contradictory as it is to what most of us have been taught... Savor the richness of the moment and remember always, whether ''good'' or ''bad'' this too shall pass. XXXOOO :-)
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Sassafraswilds...
by: windsong_1950
11/22/99 11:10 am
Msg: 16 of 629
...I too am from Arkansas, originally ... NE Arkansas, to be exact. Am now living in SE Michigan. I was born in Wynne, Arkansas in November of 1950, so that makes me 49.

See ya 'round, Connie
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Dear Sucarha
by: starentity (30/F)
11/22/99 11:13 am
Msg: 17 of 629
I first would like to extend my heart to you. I can empathize with your pain and have a great
deal of respect for your "self-pity". Self-pity does happen and it is okay. It is okay to feel what
you need to feel. You need to accept your pain before you can let it go. You will let go when
you are ready. I am only 30 and it seems as though I have been challenged many deaths early
on. Healing IS spiritual growth and opening your heart more to God is allowing the healing to
take place. I will send prayers to you Sucarha.

With Nurturing Love,
Peace and Light
*Star*

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sucarha/sugar
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI)
11/22/99 11:24 am
Msg: 18 of 629
Our hearts and minds are with you, our spirits are one. We stand with you in your grief, rest,
our strength is yours. You have acted with courage when giving the highest spiritual insights
you could, you have acted with courage
when you held back your grief to help another
understand a little better, and now you act with courage as you share your pain. Dear sister,
thank you for sweetness of your presence.

Peace, Love and Light
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Connie....
by: sassafraswilds (50/F/Arkansas)
11/22/99 11:39 am
Msg: 19 of 629
Maybe we're each other's doppelganger! I was born in SE Michigan, now living in North
Central Arkansas!!!

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self pity?
by: Borealis_Blizzard (901/F/Outerlimits)
11/22/99 11:53 am
Msg: 20 of 629
aww sucarha there is no 'self pity' in honest grief. I learned that after my eldest daughter died.
to grieve for someone is human as is grieving for what could have been. when you lose
someone close to you, it is like losing a peice of yourself. for you, your life mate, for me, a
piece of my future.
*soft hug* take comfort that your not alone and that others honestly care.

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Daisyforaday
by: safford13
11/22/99 11:58 am
Msg: 21 of 629
For once, there is no claim of ownership,or territorial boundaries,just an island-and
indwelling temperate waters of peace. Enjoy
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Glad to B eamer
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:03 pm
Msg: 22 of 629
Sure,this is an appropriate place to discuss your spiritual experiences. This is what I meant by
experiential. Drawing from your experiences in earnest exchange.
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Mentalite,the Architect
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:07 pm
Msg: 23 of 629
No one reads blueprints better. May we all proceed toward bliss and blessings. Enjoy the fruit of Agape, Mentalite
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Ouch Sucarha ...
by: B_eamer (5/M/Calif.)
11/22/99 12:08 pm
Msg: 24 of 629
Fact: We all will suffer grief in different stages at different times with different strenghts.

So sorry to hear of your loss.

In God's wisdom as one door closes another opens. In theroy he/she will not place a bigger
burden on your shoulders than you can bear. That which does not kill us makes us stronger.

There is no wrong way to greive. If you feel the need to be hypocritical, so be it. Wallow in self pity all you want. It is your call. This is one area, I believe, that what ever it takes to get YOU through, then go for it. Feel the need for assistance, ask. I only wish I had a twentyth of the spiritual fellowship you have here during my time of loss. You are blessed. I am sure you
don't feel it now, but you are. My prayers are with you, dear Sucarha.
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Hello Borealis Blizzard
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:10 pm
Msg: 25 of 629
I won't consider the job done,until you experience the joy of a radiant smile. Shalom,S-13
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Hi Zenlightened One
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:16 pm
Msg: 26 of 629
Perhaps,I can encourage you to tell us-about your personal experiences. I truly, increasingly believe in one another, is the way of revelation. For instance, during this process-what specific element of it was most beneficial?
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Hi Avatarmundi
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:22 pm
Msg: 27 of 629
The whole course,I am convinced is the enlightenment of Love,all good radiates from it as waves. May you too experience unity expressed as health. I am graced, by your consideration of friendship,S-13
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zen
by: betakitten (43/F/ME)
11/22/99 12:23 pm
Msg: 28 of 629
has anyone ever put music to those words?
Is the author truly anonymous? If he/she has a name I'd like to ask permission to put them to music.
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Zenlightened One-2
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:26 pm
Msg: 29 of 629
All credit that is due,is due to the efforts of my kind and patient mentor, Suchara.
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sucarha
by: daisyforaday (43/F/ME)
11/22/99 12:28 pm
Msg: 30 of 629
I think I already said this once, but 'll say it again.

Dying is only hard on the people left behind.

Your grief is not because something awful has happened to your husband, because it hasn't. the
grief is because there is now a tremendous void in your life.

It may take a while, but you can, you must, and you will get on with the business of living.

D
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Starentity
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:30 pm
Msg: 31 of 629
I am so glad you feel the prescence of healing, here's to you Star-and a galaxy of lights.
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Sucarha, we...
by: safford13
11/22/99 12:57 pm
Msg: 32 of 629
are evidence-living and literal, of the beauty of God's wisdom. When I first encountered you on the Baptist board,I felt a sense of trust-not usually evident within me. People that haven't a concept of God, haven't considered the probabilities of two such extreme and disparate people encountering. That they could converse,and discover that two of us were enduring 'loss'.
Which,is in itself- is a poor expression. Obviously, our thoughts are resonant. When Sinister Seraph hurled the accusation-"empty answers" and evil people, as well as hypocrites. It gave me pause, for deep reflection. I knew that I had been a hypocrite. Yet, what is hypocrisy-when one doesn't intend to deceive. It is an unrelized spiritual self. In all ways, I am convinced that we are all this at one time or another. I would suggest this to you, Suchara-there will be no loss, as you are consistently presenting Jerry's illumination as well as your own. I truly believe that God draws us to him, as the author of life. I am also convinced that you will overcome. I would also encourage you to be as patient with yourself, as you have been with me.
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