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Topic: A call to the chosen

just a minute
by: daisyforaday (43/F/Steep Falls, ME) 11/7/99 6:41 pm
Msg: 61 of 217 please do not say that "we" nailed anybody to a cross. "we" were not there. and "they" nailed thousands of others to crosses too.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 59 by jesjka

Reply to spiritdancer
by: hdjs4 (44/M/Indianapolis) 11/7/99 7:42 pm
Msg: 62 of 217
You sound angry and I don't understand why. What did I try to "cram down" anyone's throat? I simply am expressing a point of view that you are obviously hostile to. You say you do not need to conform to one way of thinking, but I ask again: how can two contradictory belief systems BOTH be true? I can respect anyone's opinions, but if I feel someone is misguided, don't I have a right - perhaps even obligation - to point out possible flaws in their reasoning? I guess these boards are only for new-agers and mystics - no Christians need apply? What is it about Jesus that upsets you so? I am NOT trying to cram anything onto anyone. I am only interested in reasonable discussion. If that is "in your face" excuse me. I guess Christians should go stand quietly in the corner so everybody else can spout their ideologies without having to think too hard. Come on, man, lighten up and talk to me! I don't bite, and I promise not to hit you on the head with a heavy Bible. All I'm doing is inviting people to explore the claims of Jesus. If that upsets you, I can't help it. When I was at the lowest point in my life, Jesus had mercy and rescued me. He is the best friend I've ever had, and I will always be grateful to him for being there when I really needed him. How can I not try to share something this good with others? If you're not interested, OK, that's your business. There are other people on the board, you know, and maybe someone else will be interested in a polite, logical discussion of Jesus. The only reason I mention "spare me the bible-thumping bigot slurs" is because it has been my experience on boards that people hostile to Christianity usually revert to vulgarity and name-calling instead of reasonable dialogue. Hmmm...I wonder why that is? I fail to see how expressing an opinion is cramming anything down your throat or abusing your mind. Perhaps I have struck a nerve that you would rather ignore?

Posted as a reply to: Msg 57 by spiritdancer12

Reply to avatarmundi
by: hdjs4 (44/M/Indianapolis) 11/7/99 7:49 pm
Msg: 63 of 217
Another hostile non-believer! You're just the person I'm looking for! Talk to me. You've obviously been burned be some kooky Christian somewhere. You obviously have an attitude about God. So let me have it. I'm listening. I simply ask that we be civil and logical. Am I being fair here or what? I would love an opportunity to defend the faith. We are not all Bible-thumping crazies, you know. So talk to me -- why does my posting make you so angry? I'm a nice guy - really!

Posted as a reply to: Msg 58 by avatarmundi

Jesjka, with all due respect...
by: hdjs4 (44/M/Indianapolis) 11/7/99 7:53 pm
Msg: 64 of 217
you still have not answered any of the questions I asked you in my last post. How can this dialogue go forward with so much unfinished business left behind? Talk to me, I'm listening...

Posted as a reply to: Msg 59 by jesjka

goes to show...
by: jesjka (0/M/here) 11/7/99 8:11 pm
Msg: 65 of 217
just what your thoughts are of... we weren't physically there... but they had the same minds you do now... if it is different... kill it... abolish it... judge and condemn it... Christ does not condemn... nor do those who have recieved Christ... so in truth all have at one point or another nailed Christ to the cross... we all have judged some time in life... but Christ comes back and sets things straight... now you have His mind... now there is no judgement...

Posted as a reply to: Msg 61 by daisyforaday

hdjs...
by: jesjka (0/M/here) 11/7/99 8:20 pm
Msg: 66 of 217
i have answered all your questions... you just do not understand my answers... in Christ there is only one truth... and that truth is found in all life... in all religions... in all artwork... in all writings... in all aspects of life... the answer to all your questions is there... lying in plain view of your eyes... but yet you do not understand... so here it is again... Christ is all things... with God all things are possible... so if buddha found a truth... Christ was there with him... when religion finds a truth... Christ was teaching... Christ understands all religions.. all science... He understands all life... He has set up His truth to establish everything... everything is based on the truth of Christ... so if this is true... how could anything be false? how could one belief be untrue? Christ is in buddha... Christ is in jesus... Christ is in you... Christ reveals the mystery of science... Christ is the body of all life... all power... all authority... this is the mystery of Christ...

Posted as a reply to: Msg 64 by hdjs4

maybe
by: daisyforaday (43/F/Steep Falls, ME) 11/7/99 8:27 pm
Msg: 67 of 217
Maybe he's only frustrated. I am. If your faith gives you strength, that is good, if it limits you, or others, that is bad. I'm not a nice guy,but I am a nice gal, really!

Posted as a reply to: Msg 63 by hdjs4

i'm interested
by: daisyforaday (43/F/Steep Falls, ME) 11/7/99 8:40 pm
Msg: 68 of 217
in a duscussion of faith with you. But I'd like to request up front thta we keep it to a discussion of beliefs, leave off trying either one of trying to bring the other into or out of the fold.

If I say I believe in Jesus as a tremendously inspired and inspiratinal teacher, a messenger of God, but no more holy than you or me, does it make y ou angry? Afraid (for me or for you)

What if I tell you that Jesus did not die for our sins, because there is no such thing as sin. My favorite definition is Self Inflicted Nonsense, am I evil?

And there is no need to repent or seek Jesus as a savior because God forgives all our errors, no begging and no middle man needed.

And what if I were to tell you that there is no devil and there is no hell?

May i ask if you are acquainted with the real history of the world 2000 years ago? Do you read Hebrew or Aramaic?

If you call my beliefs "feel good pop self esteem boosting mish-mash" may I asign a tag to yours?

Good living.

Please answer,and send your questions to me. Posted as a reply to: Msg 56 by hdjs4

so indeed...
by: daisyforaday (43/F/Steep Falls, ME) 11/7/99 8:53 pm
Msg: 69 of 217

the sins of the father are revisited uponthe son, and the son, and the son, and the son..................

I do not think the Romans, or Herod, had a mind anything like mine.

It would appear that for 200 years the christian church has been working very hard to "crush, kill and abolish" anything that was different. Did you know that tens of millions of people were brutally killed in the name of the church in the 5-600 years that christianlty and paternalism marched across Europe? I am not trying to be sassy or defiant, its a fact, like the holocaust, look it up.

And the majority of these people were women, burned at the stake as witches because they were slow to come around to this vengeful punishing father figure.

Thank God this behavior is no longer the norm in most of the Christian world. Butit was. Go to the library, go to the university, find a historian, look itup.

If I have the same mind as the Romans who nailed Jesus up, then it is only logical to conclude that you have the same mind as these medieval christians. Seems we are both pretty nasty.

Do not judge me and I will not judge you. Posted as a reply to: Msg 65 by jesjka

preview
by: daisyforaday (43/F/Steep Falls, ME) 11/7/99 8:55 pm
Msg: 70 of 217
I should have taken the time to peview, it is 2000 years, not 200.

Of course, history proves that Jesus was born in midsummer about 6 years before.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 65 by jesjka

I have no doubt that you're a nice guy.
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI) 11/7/99 11:37 pm
Msg: 71 of 217
But you still look like you're peddling your faith to me. I know you'd love to defend your faith, that's what you do, right? A Christian who doesn't take the time to defend the faith never feels quite right, am I correct? You see I've been there, done that, and am not impressed. If your faith gives you comfort and if you are happy with where you're at don't go sniffing around looking for a challenge from us. If you want an honest discussion it's got to go both ways. But are you prepared to be shaken a bit or will you just close your eyes and hum real loud so you won't have to hear us? I'd prefer you to go away and be happy with your life, but you won't because your 'faith' will likely drive you to face any perceived source of persecution. So be it. Have fun if you can.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 63 by hdjs4

right!
by: daisyforaday (43/F/Steep Falls, ME) 11/8/99 10:20 am
Msg: 72 of 217
Good answer Avatar!

Posted as a reply to: Msg 71 by avatarmundi

Jesus and Buddha
by: renee_melder (31/F/Baton Rouge, LA) 11/8/99 3:01 pm
Msg: 73 of 217
Although this was not directed to me, I wanted to respond, since it's "up my alley."

"You say you do not need to conform to one way of thinking, but I ask again: how can two contradictory belief systems BOTH be true?"

I do not find Christianity and Buddhism to be mutually exclusive. Jesus and Buddha were very similar. Mysticism is an approach many religions share, including Christianity ... take it from a Christian Mystic.

"I can respect anyone's opinions, but if I feel someone is misguided, don't I have a right - perhaps even obligation - to point out possible flaws in their reasoning?"

There are many well-read and well-learned people on these boards. Many "New-Agers" and most "Mystics" are far more well-researched than most "Christians". As a group, we prefer if you can back up your statements. If someone's reasoning is flawed or they are misguided, back up your statements with references (other than the Bible), and we'll be glad to hear you out and discuss.

"I guess these boards are only for new-agers and mystics - no Christians need apply?"

Actually, this board is for those interested in spirituality, not necessarily religion.

"snip .... All I'm doing is inviting people to explore the claims of Jesus. If that upsets you, I can't help it."

The way it came across was that you were inviting people to explore the claims of Jesus as you see them. I'd venture a guess that the way you view Jesus is much different than I view Jesus.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 62 by hdjs4

renee, just read your note about....
by: daisyforaday (43/F/ME) 11/8/99 3:21 pm
Msg: 74 of 217
Jesus and Buddha.

May I suggest we join forces?

I get very tired of having shit thrown ot me because i dare to believe something that is not written in he bible, I feel i am explaining and explaining over and over only to be bombarded.

You post was a great relief.

Peace.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 73 by renee_melder

Thankyou...
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI) 11/8/99 3:22 pm
Msg: 75 of 217

and if you have any constructive criticism of what I say or how I say it please feel free to let me know. I'm a 'work in progress'. ~Peace~ :)

Posted as a reply to: Msg 72 by daisyforaday

i'm gonna discuss this with you........
by: daisyforaday (43/F/ME) 11/8/99 3:37 pm
Msg: 76 of 217

and we're gonna get all kinds of rhetoric in response. Be ready.

Over the ages the christian churches seldom employed the true teaching of Jesus in their instruction to the people. I often wonder how I can can these "defenders of the faith" to take off the blinders and see the real history.

I am wondering if some of the really "gung ho" (sorry, just couldn't think of a milder term) christians are perhaps getting a little frantic, or maybe their leaders are and they're passing it down.

Perhaps the need they feel to challenge anyone who has "strayed" shows just how challenged they feel.

Anyway, if you want to speak to another enlightened person, look up renee in the msg list.

Want to talk more?

Posted as a reply to: Msg 71 by avatarmundi

Good post!
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI) 11/8/99 3:39 pm
Msg: 77 of 217

I've been going around and around with satanists, atheists and born agains and it is starting to wear on my patience. Congratulations on your marriage and I hope it turns out as well as mine has. From a mystic To a mystic, Peace.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 73 by renee_melder

daisyforaday
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI) 11/8/99 3:48 pm
Msg: 78 of 217

You can talk to me anytime. Noticed your concern about finding a milder term to express yourself...don't worry about it...express yourself, say what you feel.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 76 by daisyforaday

We already are
by: renee_melder (31/F/Baton Rouge, LA) 11/8/99 3:58 pm
Msg: 79 of 217

"May I suggest we join forces?"

I believe we already are joined . Oh, you mean allies?!?! Sure ... can always use more of those.

"I get very tired of having shit thrown ot me because i dare to believe something that is not written in he bible, I feel i am explaining and explaining over and over only to be bombarded."

I agree, and it can be quite frustrating. The thing that gets me is that so much of the Bible is misunderstood and flat out misconstrued. I do believe in the message of the Bible, but not that it is the literal inerrant Word of God.

As far as Jesus, I do believe he was truly enlightened and Divine (as we all can be). I believe that He was trying to show us the way. Somehow, His message was lost on many, and His path has been paved in stone.

BTW, I do believe he was not the only enlightened one trying to show us the way. There were others and will be more.

You post was a great relief. Posted as a reply to: Msg 74 by daisyforaday

Daisyforaday
by: renee_melder (31/F/Baton Rouge, LA) 11/8/99 4:01 pm
Msg: 80 of 217
By the way, daisies are my all-time favorite flower. I keep fresh daisies in my house almost continuously. They are so uplifting and bring me such peace and joy.

... and today, another daisy brings me that same peace and has uplifted me as well.

Thank you.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 74 by daisyforaday

Isn't that one of the toughest
by: renee_melder (31/F/Baton Rouge, LA) 11/8/99 4:10 pm
Msg: 81 of 217

"I've been going around and around with satanists, atheists and born agains and it is starting to wear on my patience."

I think I know what you mean. Coming up against someone of totally opposing views and gaining no ground can be extremely frustrating. For me, frustration has been one of the most difficult things to deal with on my path. I seem to be easily frustrated, and can tend to get quite uppity and holier-than-thou. It has been quite an inner struggle (rather a release of the struggle) to overcome these emotions.

"Congratulations on your marriage and I hope it turns out as well as mine has."

Thank you so much. So far, so good. It's only been 6 months, but I'm confident it's rock solid.

"From a mystic To a mystic, Peace. "

ditto =)

Posted as a reply to: Msg 77 by avatarmundi

The call to the chosen...
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI) 11/8/99 4:44 pm
Msg: 82 of 217
And the eagles are arriving!!!
If you want another ally/friend I'm in!
The bible has been edited heavily. I have a
book titled "The Other Bible" edited by Willis Barnstone. It contains a suprising amount of information and many 'gospels' that seldom see the light of day. This book is published by Harper&Row. Also, there is a book out called "The Lost Books of the Bible and the
Forgotten Books of Eden" published by Collins World. Let's talk. Peace.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 79 by renee_melder

jesjka...the eagles
by: avatarmundi (44/M/Bay City, MI) 11/8/99 5:18 pm
Msg: 83 of 217

are coming! They soar far above the mountains and valleys and their 'vision' ranges far beyond the earth-bound denizens. We are the Mystics bound by the common search for 'Truth' and uncontent to just walk upon the earth. We seek God and will suffer no limitation of dogma or doctrine.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 66 by jesjka

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